Palpatine also ragdolled him and Rey before he used drain. Palpatine's guards are fodder to Vader. Post a link or something. Got a source for Stormtrooper armour being able to tank blaster fire? Vader's durability >>>>>>> Kylo's durability by feats. My arguments make no sense how? Kylo’s durability is insane you can’t deny that even if you say vader is more durable kylo would still be able to tank strong attacks. Been thinking about making an edit like this since we saw the duel in the second TROS trailer. People really don’t appreciate how outmatched Kenobi is in the force. I am talking about the royal guards the real deal not this fodder dude who just leads the empire and does not fight at all. Nope, rewatch the scene again for the beginning of the battle to the end, kylo takes out 5 of them. Even more, Luke is not omniscient and the last time he saw Vader (who was holding back anyway) was 30 years ago. © 2021 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. Well killing a handful of vader level duelist by yourself is really good, It is shown that they spar with him regularly, also Luke stated that he hadn’t sensed as powerful as a force user as kylo before, meaning that vader,dooku,maul,mace,possibly yoda are all below kylo, @darthadi: it is stated in a interview with the director of the movie that the red guards are superior to emperor guards. Also kylo managed to hurt Luke and managed to escape and killed everyone, Luke also feared that the darkside was growing in him and wanted him to be eliminated, all of this is like months or a year before the events of TFA ( once again I’m not suggesting kylo is superior to Luke). Current Vader is tainted by the Light Side and the rise of Anakin, making it so that he struggles to manifest even basic Dark Side abilities such as Force Choke without being hit by flashbacks of Padme: Along with doing things that are certainly not consistent with Vader's M.O: He then saves Sabe, after she's betrayed him about three times, and spares all of the Handmaidens: Vader himself senses it and is unable to suppress it: The "weakness" is so notable that Sidious himself detects it: Then, of course, you can contrast his two fights with the Royal Guards from 19 BBY vs ESB, where he one-shotted them with the Force to having to resort to lightsaber combat and then being tagged repeatedly: also Luke never said anything about the Jedi he trained. I was stating feats not comparing speed feats with vader, you just keep using the same stupid argument which doesn’t make any sense. @thegodmadara: Dooku>>TPM Maul>>TPM Obi-Wan. Dooku for example is extremely powerful, as is Obi-Wan. LOL at Kylo being above Yoda. Pretty sure it was a slash that was barely getting him. Luke’s statement is true, he is talking about how he never sensed someone as powerful as kylo, meaning that conflicted vader and not full power sidious scale below kylo. Again, taking that quote at face value is completely illogical, since he would still have been able to sense Sidious' power. Casually being able to freeze Rey in place a strong force user. But then I looked inside... and it was beyond what I ever imagined. Even if you can find one (which i doubt), sparring is a very poor way to gauge power levels. Also what Force Feats does TPM Maul have above Kylo? @darthadi: my point is that kylo is just as skilled if not more skilled, also he is stronger in the force but it wouldn’t be enough to ragdoll him. I'd sensed it building in him. That being said, Kylo wrecks Ep 1 Kenobi. It’s crazy how bias people are against sequel trilogy characters. Kylo is slightly above yoda and vader. It didn't scare me enough then. Vader and Palpatine's relationship is one of the most toxic but fascinating ones in the saga. I'll just copy and paste what I said that disproves this notion, which you conveniently have not responded to, instead labelling it as 'head canon' or some nonsense. Kylo deliberately went on a suicide run into the mouth of the Zillo Beast to try and live up to his idol. If you want to keep bringing this bullshit up, then actually refute my argument because at the moment you're regurgitating an invalid argument. I don’t have a single damn if you reply, I just want to know that you and your head canon are wrong, sometimes you gotta know your wrong otherwise you won’t grow as a person. So let us say that emperor’s guards are inferior to vader, making snoke’s guards possibly equal or a little inferior to vader, taking out 4 of them is really impressive considering they are near vader, so kylo took out 4 or 5 of them, this means kylo atleast beat 2 vader level opponents considering they were all working together making them equivalent to atleast two Vaders. Speed kylo is fast enough to react to a blaster shot and freeze it mid air. He also scales well above TCW S7 Maul's hyperdrive feat by statements and portrayal as being the most powerful of Sidious' apprentices. You haven't provided any evidence that Kylo surpassed Snoke. If you take Luke's quote at face value and refering to actualised power Kylo would be more powerful than Sidious but that can't be true as we saw in TROS even Zombie Palpatine can casually ragdoll Kylo. For speed I only mentioned his feet’s we see on screen, not anything special. It's seriously unimpressive compared to high level force users like Vader. The rule of two is a perfect embodiment of the Sith teachings, with revenge and greed at the heart of the relationship between Master and Apprentice. Luke is not omniscient. Also before way before the events of TFA he was able to collapse entire giant statues. In the original trilogy of films, played by Alec Guinness, he is a mentor to the protagonist Luke Skywalker, initiating him into the ways of the Jedi, while becoming one of the main protagonists of the prequels. It does now. But some of the more "Newer" ones are very popular as well. Why is it called “sparring” if vader stomped them? At this point I'm just watching this train wreck until the mods come in. Both Episodes 3 and 4 end with fateful duels between Obi Wan and Anakin/Darth. You're seriously using the Zillo beast feat as something to prove Kylo's superiority to Vader? @lord_god: red guards > royal guards in an interview with Rian, says they are more dangerous and threatening. If you don’t have any new arguments and just spewing evident-less arguments, while denying facts and feats and seriously downplaying kylo the don’t reply, also if you come up with that “Luke was talking about potential” argument I will go insane at how stupid this is. I don't care if Rian is the dirrector of 1 movie. Ben didn't blow up the Temple and kill everyone. Source for them being able to spar with Vader? A decent feat but nothing more. 3. Most Starwars youtube debaters are terrible. Kenobi is capable of jumping four times consecutively, enabling him to reach high altitudes fast. Obi-Wan Kenobi vs. Anakin Skywalker ... Star Wars stunt coordinator Rob Inch runs us through the climactic lightsaber battle between Kylo Ren … He's clearly seen how powerful Sidious is. When Rey, Ren's equal, suddenly turns up and has exactly the same amount of power as him, Luke references this short-lived fear, stating that Ben's power "didn't scare me enough then" but "It does now.". @w4nkdestroyer People think Dooku>TPM Maul, @darthadi: saying director’s words don’t mean anything is like saying when George was in control of Star Wars movies and at that time his quotes didn’t matter. @breakofdawn: meant to say “ where did you get the notions that ESB vader is at his weakest?”. I saw darkness. I think Kylo Ren at his darkest and most focussed in ep9 could take padawan Kenobi solidly, choreography aside Kylo is skilled and fights with a vaderesque heavy style and also uses the force consistently in combat. Obi stomps Kylo has lost nearly every 1v1 he was seen in. Moreover, Sidious has used his lightning on Vader multiple times and Vader has survived this, yet in this instance, it results in his death. Kylo snaps him in half with the force lol. And citation needed for Snoke's guards being superior to Palpatine's guards. Not to mention, you literally claimed that Kylo was comparable to Vader in those aspects and then listed a bunch of feats. Ok one last reply. Lightning did damage but vader could have survived but let himself die for horrific things he has done). Granted, Obi-Wan fought Darth Maul for a time. Luke couldnt sense sidious’s full power because sidious NEVER USED HIS FULL POWER. Really can’t call that a win for Rey. but you keep dismissing my points so here is my entire argument and explanation. I was stating feats not comparing speed feats with vader. Galagatus 11 mo 14 d . If you don’t have any new arguments and just spewing evident-less arguments, while denying facts and feats and seriously downplaying kylo the don’t reply. You're lying to yourself at this point, you can't seriously think that Kylo taking a bowcaster shot (which clearly significantly affected him) puts him equal to Vader, who survived the massive explosion of a superweapon. @lord_god: this is my last reply to you as you just keep asking the same things over and over even though I keep answering you, it is like talking to a wall that has Alzheimer. I don't care for most of your post since you just repeat yourself, but i feel the need to address this. Kylo Ren 26192 . That doesn't prevent Luke from sensing how truly powerful they are. Stop labelling things that you don't like as head canon or nonsensical, you can't just throw around baseless labels like that without explaining why. Kylo is more skilled ( you think you disproved them even though you did nothing), more powerful with the force( also what is your source that sidious shocked vader with full power?? Right, but you've failed to explain why Kylo would be even a decent fight. @breakofdawn: ok thanks, however just because he said Ben solo doesn’t mean he is referring to other students, simply Ben before he became kylo ren, nothing of the students was mention I disagree with you on that. So what's the point of even bringing them up if you're not even comparing them with Vader? I said that Snoke was well above Kylo in TLJ. All this leads me to the fact that TROS kylo is superior to vader. This same 'stupid' argument is something which ONCE AGAIN you have failed to properly address, why doesn't it make sense? Anakin Skywalker and Obi Wan Kenobi VS Rey and Kylo Ren. Luke couldnt sense sidious’s full power because sidious NEVER USED HIS FULL POWER. Obi-Wan Kenobi & Anakin Skywalker (23) Kylo Ren/Rey (19) Padmé Amidala/Anakin Skywalker (17) Anakin Skywalker & Luke Skywalker (13) Rey & Luke Skywalker (12) Obi-Wan Kenobi/Anakin Skywalker (11) Leia Organa & Luke Skywalker (11) Anakin Skywalker & Ahsoka Tano (10) Include Additional Tags Force Ghost Obi-Wan Kenobi (168) 25 Apr. @darksith985: Show evidence for the guards sparring with Vader. The relationships of Luke Skywalker from the Star Wars universe. @reaperace: cuz there is atleast evidence and an argument not making stupid claims without evidence like you. Kylo Ren is undoubtedly the main antagonist of the sequel trilogy, and he is searching, specifically, for Rey. I'd see it at moments during his training. Even by the time of TFA he was intelligent enough to take down a creature he has never seen (Zillow beast) with minimal casualties somethingvader failed to do. Even if I dodged some points, I did that because they are not worth my time or it’s just stupid claims. Because if you did, you would know why it's completely untrue. 2. Explicit (1002) Teen And Up Audiences (963) General Audiences (688) Mature (650) Not Rated (294) Include Warnings . Yeah sure. If you can't properly address the points in a post you consider to be 'retarded' then clearly you are extremely mentally challenged and hypocritical. Vader's done that repeatedly and slaughtered an entire hallway of Rebels shooting at him at once. Let's compare feats. @breakofdawn: kylo doesn’t have many feats that are relevant, like it seemed as kylo had no trouble holding the space ship, stopping lightsaber mid swing something yoda has never shown ( doesn’t mean he is more powerful based on that alone). 1. In dueling ability Kylo isn't fodder to padawan Obi and in force capabilities he dwarves Obi. No evidence provided to substantiate this claim. He even killed all of Luke's students including the leader of the Knights of Ren. With Powerful Connections to the Force and taught by Powerful Wielders of the Dark Side, Which of these two Dark Apprentices shall be victorious?! Not a bad feat but not super great either. Signature. Now, what Force feats does Kylo Ren have to match? Baseless speculation. The fact that you are having difficulty with something as simple as this shows that you lack the sufficient intelligence to be in a debate. And I was left with shame... and with consequence. When jumping, Obi-Wan is able to attack with a single swipe. Also snoke was able to fight Luke toe to toe but lost ( someone kylo surpassed) . Saying 'It was said in an interview' isn't proof. The only version of Kylo ep1 Kenobi can beat is injured conflicted ep7 Kylo. @darthadi: 1. Obi > Kylo in lightsabers but Kylo > Obi in terms of Force. I know both Luke and sidious are above kylo not trying to argue with that. Luke couldnt sense sidious’s full power because sidious NEVER USED HIS FULL POWER. He solidly beat her on the Death Star and only got stabbed after beating rey and feeling Leah die, like hell she only stabs him after he literally lets go of his saber. Also snoke was able to fight Luke toe to toe but lost ( someone kylo surpassed) . @jedixman: so kylo killing dozens of Jedi in lule’s new Jedi order not count? Vader>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>TPM Kenobi>>>>>>>>>>>Royal Gaurd>>>>>>>>>>> Jabba The Hutt >>>>>>>>>>Jar Jar>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Rey & Ren>Snokes Gaurds. You misinterpreted the scene about sensing Rey, no one I have talked with brought up this argument. It's already been well established that force users can sense when a being is powerful in the force. I swear I’m not making up the interview, I can’t get a source because it is an interview, do you want me to tell you some random sites names or random YouTube channels?? It passed like a fleeting shadow. I said that it's common for force users to be able to sense one's strength in the force. All this leads me to the fact that TROS kylo is superior to vader. Once again it was stated in an interview you idiot. It's really simple. Since you seem to be so against option A, then Luke is clearly wrong, or you are just misinterpreting the quote, which breakofdawn brought up in the post (at the time of writing this) above mine. By Margaret David Nov 21, 2020 If this new trilogy wants to harken back to the originals, then having a … RELATED: Obi-Wan: 10 Things From the Marvel Comics We Hope To See on the Disney+ … Luke's students were padawans. Once again, beating some praetorian guards doesn't mean anything, you have yet to provide the source for them being superior to the Emperor's guards, and you have yet to prove that Vader spars with them. @lord_god: can’t post scans cuz I’m on iPad, kylo did do these things I’m sure @BreakOfDwan can back me up. Why would i care about some youtuber's opinion? But not vader. ... agressive. There you go kylo > vader, kylo => yoda. User Info: Plasmas. When sprinting, Obi-Wan can attack with a decently accurate flurry of attacks, which stops his momentum. Luke feared that Ben would become a new Vader (a fallen Jedi who would doom the Order), indicating that he already feared Sidious and Vader (which is confirmed in other material). Who would win? Like Darth Vader, Emperor Palpatine, Count Dooku, Boba Fett and many, many more. Correction: Vader has experience, speed, strength, power, skill, and durability over Kylo, most of them in spades. Mace Windu 15800 . Meaning that all 5 guards kylo defeated in TLJ are atleast POST-ESB vader in skill. Moreover, Sidious used his full power on Vader, shown by him killing him with a few seconds of exposure at best to his lightning. More powerful in the force by doing things vader has never shown. Even on screen, Vader's speed and skill vastly outstrips Ren's. @darthadi: I didn’t speculate I told they spar with vader to train him, and you are right he trained in many different ways, but this one is one of them. 3. Rey/Ben Solo | Kylo Ren (2) Obi-Wan Kenobi & Ben Solo (2) Padmé Amidala/Anakin Skywalker (1) Obi-Wan Kenobi/Satine Kryze (1) Obi-Wan Kenobi & Ahsoka Tano (1) Exclude Additional Tags Time Travel (3) Angst (2) Alternate Universe (2) Alternate Universe - … he used some of the darkside in episode one against maul so he would use it here. He feared Ben was already corrupted and irredeemable. The only thing going for vader against kylo is more experience and arguable better durability, maybe speed but it won’t be enough to blitz kylo, kylo would keep up. Something obi wan or anakin haven’t shown. So that leaves two options. It's pretty impressive yeah, just nowhere near Vader's durability. I thought I could stop it. IMO I’m losing brain cells arguing with you. He was literally in the presence of the most powerful dark side user in history. Kylo fans are also low-level debaters, The points made in favor of Kylo are extremely retarded. Also worth noting that the script apparently specifies that it's "Ben Solo", again reinforcing that he's referring to his students as he refers to Ren as he knew him, not as what he became or is in general. Moreover, the quote is once again disproved by the fact that it would include Snoke, as it is implied that he and Luke have fought before. 2. Like I said, Vader has deflected shots from freighters. Kylo Ren is a fictional character and a major antagonist in the Star Wars franchise. Speedwise that really doesn't put him in Vader's league, since reacting to blaster fire is extremely common amongst force users. Kylo has a good chance via his Force superiority. Han Solo 6500 . You are the one who made the claim, so prove it. You will need more than one vague statement from Luke to prove Kylo's power. All of them were padawans or low level knights. The Dark … Even if Rian's commentary would be canon (it's not), Palpatine's guards are fodder to Vader. The levels of reaching that you have gone to try and prove that Kylo is above Vader is honestly disgusting, and then you have the nerve to call me out on not providing evidence when I did exactly that. Kylo’s durability is insane you can’t deny that. Love the idea of cutting between lava and water. Qui-Gon Jinn & Obi-Wan Kenobi Vs. Darth Maul. Yet we see that Snoke after Rey's 'training' with Luke is able to effortlessly ragdoll her, demonstrated clear superiority by a vast margin to Rey and by extension, Kylo, who stalemates her in a force battle shortly after. Moreover, I have responded to the vast majority of your points, which consist almost entirely of disgusting wank that puts Kylo on a pedestal he really isn't on. @darksith985: Then it's baseless speculation. How do I know that you're not fabricating something like this. @darthadi: those scans you just showed prove nothing, first off that was a imaginary scene vader had about killing palpatine, 2. Luke only sensed conflicted vader and not full power sidious. Darth Bane 16800 . Once again it was stated in an interview you idiot, I just have to keep repeating myself don’t I? also if you come up with that “Luke was talking about potential” argument I will go insane at how stupid this is. This lightsaber duel determined Anakin’s fate, so … Well he also fought the force sensitive knights of ren, sidious just force drained them which no one knew how to counter even then I’m not saying kylo is on sidious’s level but definitely slightly above yoda. For a mere moment, Luke is afraid, but quickly that fear passes despite sensing Ben's future, and he nearly dies because of it. and managed to escape and killed everyone. Show me one canon source were they spar. I'd sensed it building in him. Kylo killed the Zillo beast by targeting a weak spot. The fight inevitably goes to Sabers and then Kylo gets rekt. No Archive Warnings Apply (1848) Regardless, only 4 he defeats in blade to blade combat, and the fifth gets him in a headlock and would have killed him had Rey not thrown him Anakin's lightsaber. First, I was referring to ROTS Sidious. And throughout the entirety of this thread you have failed to prove that the Royal guards spar with Vader, and even if they did, it doesn't put them Vader level. I won’t reply to you unless I see another retarded argument like the ones before. To be honest, this fight can go either way because although Kenobi might be a better duelist, Kylo is still better in the force. Also being able yoda is definitely arguable. Darth Sion 19000 . That is all the feats I have on the top of my head. The only time he met Yoda, Palps and Vader was when he was very young and he likely didn't had enough force knowledge to sense power with accuracy. Everyone who is deep into Star Wars knows that kylo defeats yoda let alone vader. Luke outright states that: I saw darkness. Obi Wan Kenobi 11300 . Kylo's massive Force advantage gives him the win. Kylo taking chewie's crossbow shot is certainly impressive, but it isn't anywhere near what Vader has taken. Even if royal guards didn’t spar with vader 3 of them subdued him casually like break of dawn mentioned ( but vader was conflicted) still impressive. Based on absolutely nothing except for a vague quote which has been proven wrong. Include Ratings . He only killed three padawans. So far you haven't shown anything from Kylo that would mean he keeps up with Vader. 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